Showing posts with label Time Travel. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Time Travel. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 04, 2009

Island Timeline



I hope this will help me figure out what's going on when and what side people are on. Please contribute and make corrections. The dates come from Lostpedia which is not canon, but is pretty close.

100 BC? - Days of the 4-Toed statue; Locke puts the Donkey Wheel back on its axis and turns it

1845 - Black Rock disappears. Magnus Hanso was captain of the Black Rock.

1954 - Richard Alpert and a band of Latin speaking Others including young Charles Widmore and Ellie are on Island and view it as THEIR Island
- US Army arrives on Island with 18 men and Jughead. 18 Army people die on orders from Alpert's superior.
- The Left Behinders (LBs) jump to 1954 and Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Daniel and Charlotte plus 2 redshirts interact with Alpert's Others.  Both Alpert and Ellie are told about the time skipping.


1970s - The Dharma Initiative (DI) funded by Alvar Hanso begins building stations on the Island. They create a station, The Arrow to deal with the hostile indigenous population presumably Alpert's Others.

1970 - Charlotte Staples Lewis born

1973 - Young Ben Linus joins the DI and arrives on Island with his dad.
- The Hostiles, presumably led by Alpert, attack DI facilities
- Young Ben sees his mom and in an effort to find her encounters Richard Alpert


1974 - Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Miles, Daniel and presumably Rose, Bernard, Vincent and any other remaining 815ers end up here after Locke turns the wheel
Hostiles kill DI member Paul
Sawyer and Juliet kill 2 Hostiles and rescue DI Amy
Sawyer tells DI his name is LaFleur and he and his crew integrate into the Dharma Initiative after also informing Alpert what, that is who, they're waiting for
The Dharma submarine travels approximately every 2 weeks to and from the Island


- Daniel (not sure if it's 2005 or other aged Daniel) travels to the time they are building the Orchid. I'm thinking now this is definitely 2005 Daniel, but the exact date of this scene is unknown.

Somewhere in the 1970s, probably between '74 and '77 - a young Charlotte Lewis lives on Island; a crazy Daniel visits her and tells her to leave and never come back; Charlotte leaves with her mother, her father stays behind

1977 - Sawyer, Miles and Jin work for Dharma security
Juliet works as a Dharma mechanic and only reveals herself to be a doctor in order to deliver Amy's baby
A baby is born to Amy and Horace; no word on where it was conceived.

Kate, Hurley and Jack are flashed into this time from Flight 316 and are found by Jin
Motor Pool Kate, Chef Hurley and Workman Jack are part of the DI
Sayid in DI custody as a presumed Hostile; visited by young Ben

Young Ben springs Sayid; Sayid shoots him in the jungle and flees

1980s - Alpert's Hostiles and Ben purge the DI with poison gas. Possibly 1984/5 if you take Miles statement that Widmore has been looking for the Island for 20 years as accurate. This date does not agree with Horace's dream statement to Locke though. At this point Island is left with just Alpert's Others plus Ben plus possibly other DI that become Others or are left to die at the hands of polar bears. We do not know of any DI escaping the Island post-purge, but somehow Daniel knew about the purge as evidenced by Daniel and Charlotte's trip to the Tempest. I suspect Widmore knew about it too, but I don't know chicken and egg style if he told Daniel or Daniel told him.

November 18, 1988 - Rousseau's team crashes on Island 
- Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Charlotte and Daniel find wreckage of French ship
- Rousseau's team finds Jin
- Smokey kills Nadine and rips off Montand's arm; Frenchies minus Danielle go after Montand and Smokey

Between Nov. 18 and Alex's birth
-French team discovers Black Rock on Island

Late 1988/Early 1989 - Rousseau shoots LaCombe, Brennan and Robert
- Rousseau goes to radio tower and changes message
- Rousseau gives birth to Alex
- Ben takes Alex.  Alex becomes an Other.

Post-Gulf War maybe 1991/2 - Kelvin Inman arrives at the Swan
- Mikhail arrives on Island about then too.

1995 - Desmond meets Penny

1995/6 - Desmond meets with Charles Widmore to ask about marrying Penny
Desmond sees Charlie Pace performing on a street in London

1996 - Desmond meets Daniel in Oxford
Charles Widmore buys Black Rock ledger from the Hanso family

1997/8 - Daniel sends Teresa time-tripping, leaves for America, Widmore pays for Teresa's care

Late 1990s? - Nigerian drug plane crashes on the Island
- Ethan checks out plane crash and shoots a 2005 Locke
- 2005 Locke sees crash and is shot by Ethan

2001 - Desmond meets Jack at stadium in LA

2001-2004 - Desmond lives in Swan Hatch
- Juliet becomes an Other 

Sept. 22, 2004 - 815 crashes and Kelvin dies

Sept/Oct 2004 - The Others take members of the Tail Section to become Others including Cindy, Zack and Emma

Nov. 1, 2004 - Aaron born, delivered by Kate
- Time skipping LBs jump here from 1954 and see Swan lit up as Locke pounds on it and Aaron's birth


Nov. 2004 - Desmond meets Locke, Jack and Kate

Mid-Nov. 2004 - Desmond meets other 815ers

Dec. 31, 2004 - O6, Ben, Desmond and Frank leave the Island
LBs start skipping through time


2007 - Ajira 316 crashes on Hydra Island
Sun and Lapidus take outrigger to abandoned Dharmaville and meet Christian Shephard


2007 Crash date + 2/3 days - resurrected Locke found on Hydra Island; Ben in Ajira infirmary

2007 Crash date + at least 3 days - 2 Outriggers appear on beach; beach camp emptied; Zodiac gone
- People in Outrigger chase and shoot at LBs

And now for the Time Skips

Episodes 1 and 2
2005 LBers go to date of Nigerian plane crash  
Then to post-Swan implosion time
Then to somewhere between 2001-2004 when Desmond is in Swan Hatch


Episode 3
Then to 1954


Episode 4
Then to Nov. 1, 2004 where they come across a lit up Swan Hatch and Aaron's birth
Then to some future date where the beach camp exists, but has been raided by people in two outrigger canoes and the Zodiac is missing
Then to the day Rousseau's people crash on the Island

Episode 5
Opens on November 18, 1988
Jumps ahead about 2 months
Multiple unknown jumps
Locke puts Donkey Wheel back on its axis and turns it again


Episodes 5, 7, 8

The flash when Locke falls down the well takes them to 4-toed statue days
Locke turning the wheel takes the remaining LBs to 1974


Episode 9
Sayid is in 1977; Sun, Ben, Locke, Lapidus in 2007

Episode 10 - 1977

Tuesday, September 30, 2008

Did The Others Use Time Travel To Compile Their Dossiers?


From another listener on Lost Unlocked: The listener theorizes that the Others use time travel to travel to the time and places of the LOSTies pre-flight 815 in order to compile their files on them. This explains how they know that Sawyer killed a man before leaving Australia, something the Australian authorities did not know at the time of the flight. It also explains how they know that Sawyer's "Sawyer" is actually Anthony Cooper. The theory also led to a real chicken and egg conundrum as they further theorized that the Others or perhaps someone else like Widmore manipulated the 815ers onto that plane on that date, an interesting variation on a theory that's been out there from the beginning.

I kind of like the idea of time travel being used to determine who the 815ers really are. There are certainly those who believe that explains Richard Alpert's appearance in young Locke's life. It could also explain the speed with which they compiled the information if you can leave time x on the Island and return to it with no time passing. I like that it restores some of the mystical and mysterious nature of the Others. But I suppose it could equally be a network of PIs Off Island.

Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Can Alpert Time Travel?

There are theories out there that Alpert and his appearances in Locke's young life are attributable to time travel. His lack of aging plays into that theory. But here's what I can't understand. How does Alpert control his time travel? The only physical time travel that we know we've seen so far is Ben post-donkey wheel turning. And I think it was pretty clear that Ben didn't know where or when he was going when that happened.

Has Alpert perfected the pinhole opening we see in the latest Marvin Candle video? And if so, why aren't others (like Ben) using it on Island as well? Or are they?

So what do you think?

Tuesday, August 07, 2007

Is This a Case of the Universe
Course Correcting?














Michael has just told Susan he's coming to Amsterdam
for Walt and what happens? Bam! He's hit by a car
and taken out of comission for over a year. And during
that year Susan is able to get Michael to cede his
parental rights. As a result Walt travels the world and is
raised by his mother and his adoptive father Brian until
he's taken to Australia and eventually boards the doomed
Flight 815.

It's been noted that the car that hits Michael or one that
looks a lot like it has appeared repeatedly on LOST. Is
it being driven by Mrs. Hawking or someone like her to
insure that Walt and Michael end up on Flight 815 in
September of 2004?














And what about the polar bear's appearance? Did Walt
summon it like he appeared to summon the bird back in
Australia? Is this a case of things happening when Walt
is around that Brian hinted at? Did Walt "see" the polar
bear the way he "saw" throwing the knife into the tree
earlier in the episode? Or is this another case of course
correction?

Michael and Walt are very estranged in this episode. Walt
has no interest in Michael's raft project. He has nothing
but disdain for this come lately father of his, at least until
he's rescued from a polar bear. Is the universe insuring that
Walt allows Michael to be his father now and only now that
whatever needs to be in place is in place?

Or as the whispers suggest is the Island trying to grab Walt
now? Is the polar bear another version of Cerberus sent
to collect Walt?














And who has a Dharma logo shaped room in their house?
Susan and Brian and Walt did. Does this mean Susan or Brian
worked for Dharma? Mittelos? Naomi's people? Susan and
Brian did spend years in Europe where they may have
encountered or even worked for the Hanso Foundation.

According to TPTB there's something special about Special.
What do you think?

Thursday, July 12, 2007

Are Richard Alpert and Walt Lloyd
Time Travelers?














If fools are enslaved by time and space, get out a jester
hat and a stick with bells on it because when it comes to
trying to figure out what's going on with time on LOST,
I'm lost. But the book The Time Traveler's Wife has
a theory of time travel that I can get my head around, and
I wonder if it can be used to explain how Richard Alpert
looks the same both above and below this text.












The idea in the book is that Henry, the time traveler,
can move from the present day at his present age both
forward and backward in time. So, for example, when
it is 1994 and Henry is 30, he could time travel and his
30 year old self could go back to 1988, but he would still
be 30 or it could go to 1998, but he would still be 30.

So could that explain non-aging Richard Alpert? When
Ben is doing his best young Harry Potter impression at
age 10 or so Alpert is 35. Then when Ben is 40, Alpert's
35 year old self has time traveled to 2004. Could that
also explain why Ben is in charge because the rest of the
Others only think that Alpert is 35 and hasn't been there
as long as Ben? Could it also explain why Alpert is the only
one we've seen off the Island after we saw him on the Island
(in chronological time) because he time traveled to Miami
in order to recruit Juliet?

And is a similar thing going on with












Through the Looking Glass Walt?

But in Walt's case, instead of age 10 Walt in December 2004
and points forward, we've got some form of future Walt,
be it age 13, 15, however old the actor is now.

Let me know what you think. And don't ask me about Desmond.
I've got no way to explain his time traveling or flashes. Though
the hero in the book was naked every time he traveled, other than
that I've got no links to Desmond.

Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Should Juliet Read The Time Traveler's Wife?















I came across a possible reason why all the pregnant women on the
Island die while reading The Time Traveler's Wife.




















Henry, the time traveler in the book, has a genetic
mutation that results in his involuntary movement
through time. One minute he's in the present, and
the next he's naked and somewhere else in time. A
geneticist replicates this mutation in mice, but it took
a while because:

The hard part was getting the dams, the mother
mice, to carry the altered mice to term. They kept
dying, hemorrhaging to death. . . . The mothers died,
and the babies died. We couldn't figure it out, so we started

watching them around the clock, and then we saw what
was going on. The embryos were traveling out of their
dam's wombs, and then in again, and the mothers bled
to death internally. Or they would just abort the fetus
at the 10-day mark.


According to Wikipedia, 10 days would be about halfway
through a mouse pregnancy. Sound familiar?

Is there something about the super sperm of the Island or
some other Island property that makes babies conceived on
the Island time travelers, that is, not enslaved by time and
space? Do the embryos travel out of their mother's wombs
and back creating internal bleeding in the mother leading to
the death of both mother and child? Does the mother's body
abort it half-way through the pregnancy (though I wouldn't
think that would kill the mother too?)