Wednesday, October 24, 2007

Post-Game Analysis of Tom's Speech

Oooo, 50 days. That's what, almost 2 whole months, huh?
Tell me, you go over a man's house for the first time, do
you take off your shoes? Do you put your feet up on his
coffee table? Do you walk in the kitchen, eat food that
doesn't belong to you? Open the door to rooms you got no
business opening? You know, somebody a whole lot smarter than
anybody here once said Since the dawn of our species man's been
blessed with curiosity. You know the other one about curiosity
don't you, Jack? This is not your island. This is our island.
And the only reason you're living on it is because we let you
live on it.

This little speech of Tom's raises so many questions for me.
First, why does Tom quote Alvar Hanso if he was involved in
the Purge or came to the Island post-Purge? Why do the Others
care that the LOSTies are in The Swan? Why do the Others let
them live on their Island if they aren't going to live peacably
with them?

Also, why did they want Walt? What makes Walt a very special

And why the old gun? All the guns in the Swan are modern as
we can see from what Locke, Jack and Sawyer lay down. Where
did this old one come from and why use it now?

And one question about Jack -- why don't you ask relevant and
meaningful questions or let Beard-o answer Locke's about knowing
their names? This scene always frustrates the stew out of me
when I watch how Jack acts.


capcom said...

Ditto Memphish!

The Alvar quote is confusing, since the moment it was said, to say the least. Secondly Mr.Zeke-ster, how the heck were the castaways supposed to know that they were on someone else's island when it, and the Swan ('cept for Des), looked totally deserted?! Thirdly, I think that this is the point that I thought that Jack is totally lame, because he didn't say to Zeke, "Who the hell says that we WANT to live here??? The only reason we're here is because we got thrown here by a crashing plane you fleabag idiot! Show us the way to get off and we gladly will!"

There, that felt good to say that. :o)

Amused2bHere said...


maven said...

Agreed, Capcom! These Losties NEVER ask the right questions (or, at least, the ones I would! LOL). They didn't ask to be on that island, and most of them wanted off asap. They weren't there to share the space.

Also, the Alvar quote (which the average viewer wouldn't get at all), stands out to most of us. Why quote someone who started the DI which your group purged? It doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe the use of the older model guns was just in keeping with the shabby dress, decoy plan.

Paula Abdul Alhazred said...

I'm pretty sure Tom was once a member of DHARMA. This would explain why he quoted Hanso and why he knows how long it took the polar bears to figure out their cages. I doubt Ben was the only DHARMA person who defected to the Others' cause.

memphish said...

I think Tom was DHARMA too because of that polar bear comment. Maybe quoting Alvar Hanso was actual ironic. Curiosity got his people in trouble just like it's going to get the LOSTies in trouble. Of course, calling Jack curious is the ultimate irony in this conversation.

Your comment PAA also makes me wonder if and how the Dharm-ites were purged from Falcatraz.

capcom said...

That's an interesting thought Memphish, about Falcatraz. We could wonder that about the LG too.

Paula Abdul Alhazred said...


A newer version of the blast door map (from the jigsaw puzzles, I believe) mentions that one of the stations "divested" from the Initiative. Perhaps Tom and some of the other folks at the Hydra rebelled and hooked up with the island natives. His quoting of Hanso doesn't necessarily even have to be ironic . . . he could still respect Alvar while hating what DHARMA became, since it seems clear the Initiative eventually started causing the very apocalypse it was trying to prevent.

memphish said...

I wonder if the Purge was actually the beginning of the seemingly fictitious sickness. Most of DI dies, a few live. Those few that live tell Hanso/DeGroot/whoever that they died of a sickness and BTW keep those supplies coming and recruit a few new people like Mikhail and Kelvin for us.

capcom said...

Interesting thought PAA! And we should not forget the TLE rift in the Hanso org, so people probably drew up sides and directed their loyalties there. Even when you have to work for the new bad management, you still hold allegiances to the original good leaders, like in IBM.

I like that idea Memphish, with them making up a story about the sickness.

Amused2bHere said...

That makes sense, that some of the Dharma members told mainland management that there was a sickness, probably showed them video of dead people lying around everywhere, and that they were warning outsiders to stay away from the island. Air lifts for food and medicine were still needed, and those on the Island were going to "quarantine" themselves...Yeah, I can see that happening. It actually would explain a lot.

Good job, everyone!

Amused2bHere said...

So who recruited Alpert? He seems to work for Hanso, at least in the off-Island recruiting department.

Paula Abdul Alhazred said...

Alpert doesn't work for Hanso. He works for Mittelos, which is just a front company for the Others. I think the LOST producers should publish a corporate directory so we could keep all these companies in order.

capcom said...

Haha, good idea PAA!